[NTLK] Receiving files in Einstein (In/Out Box and Newt's Cape)

Wed Nov 12 04:58:44 PST 2025

Morning Tom,

	I saw your message on this webbased list of the group messages:

https://lists.newtontalk.net/pipermail/newtontalk/2025-November/

	Your message never showed in my mailbox so I created a response.  :)

	Just wanted to thank you for the response and explaining modern weblinks verses what Newton’s browsers from 20 years ago can handle.
	I have been using FrogFind, haven’t tried WebOne.  Have to see what they can do.  Maybe they or some other service can provide an alias to download files and various locations?  Something to look into.

	Thanks again,

	Greg / "Doc Clu"
On Friday, 7 November 2025 15:43:59 Greenwich Mean Time Greg Goodwin wrote:
> And then it fails.  Why can't Newt's Cape recognize "#" in a URL?

The '#' is just a marker for "load URL and then go here". It's often used by JavaScript these days, rather than the original purpose of automatically scrolling to a particular heading.
That's what the page is doing, and NewtScape can't run JavaScript so it just doesn't work.

> SECOND LINK I tried was https://dflund.se/~fernbom/music/mods/files/takeonme.zip 
> 
>      which it thought about for a good minutes like it was trying to download, and then... nothing.

I tried http://dflund.se/~fernbom/music/mods/files/takeonme.zip in a command line download tool (curl -v ...) and what it actually does is return a "Location" header that redirects to HTTPS, and a HTML page that does the same thing. 

You're modern browser hides this, which is why it looks like it works without HTTPS.

> BTW, I did try both "https://" and "http://".   And "http://" in this case was a bit more successful.

Without a proxy like FrogFind, WebOne etc to translate modern HTTPS to something NewtScape can cope with, you'll have to stick to HTTP-only URLs.
These are increasingly hard to find !

Looks like UNNA (which does work in NewtScape over HTTP), for instance only has mods-as-pkg, not raw .mod files :
http://www.unna.org/unna/sounds/mods/[1]

-- 
Tom
MessagePad 110, 2100 owner and, in case it's not obvious, geek.

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[1] http://www.unna.org/unna/sounds/mods/
> On Nov 6, 2025, at 12:57 PM, Doctor Clu <DoctorClu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Needing a little help on receiving files in Einstein.  I have some things I have tried, maybe some of you might have answers or experienced some of these.
> 
> What I want to do:
> 
> Working to download ,mod music files off the internet using the Mod Saver app under Newt's Cape.
> 
> 
> I've gotten this to work on real hardware a lot back around 2005.   I think then I was able to upload files through the serial port (possibly eeTerminal) in the in/box where the ModSaver was able to turn the mod files into Newton Mod Packages.   It is amazing how much of this I've forgotten.  :P
> 
> Newt's Cape under Einstein and the wonderful "Einstein Network Card" that uses the computer's network is now zipping around the internet nicely.  Even loads https://modarchive.org/ where we see on that page recommended new music files, and all of them UNZIPPED!  How nice.
> 
> In theory Newt's Cape not only as a app for converting .mod files, but also a unzip app?   So Newt's Cape is supposed to save to the In/Out box where the conversion takes place?   But there are.. here we go, challenges.
> 
> Challenge One: Newt's Cape 2.1e-2(NIE)
> 
> I tried two links.   Neither saved to the in/out box.
> 
> FIRST LINK I tried was https://api.modarchive.org/downloads.php?moduleid=212016#anders_hamre_-_wrath_of_aphrodite.mod
> 
> This one Newt's Caoe cut down to https://api.modarchive.org/downloads.php?moduleid=212016
> 
> And then it fails. *Why can't Newt's Cape recognize "#" in a URL?*
> 
> SECOND LINK I tried was https://dflund.se/~fernbom/music/mods/files/takeonme.zip
> 
>      which it thought about for a good minutes like it was trying to download, and then... nothing.
> 
> BTW, I did try both "https://" and "http://".   And "http://" in this case was a bit more successful.
> 
> After the second link I started to wonder if the IN/OUT box is in fact working in Einstein yet?
> 
> 
> Challenge Two:  Einstein's IN/OUT box
> 
> No items were received from what I was trying in Newt's Cape.
> 
> I looked under "receive" and all were laughable... Fax, Beam, Update (by phone?) yeh those were probably not active in the Einstein environment.  But then I saw "Fetch URL" and thought "I'm SAVED!!  (Maybe...)"
> 
> So I put in the URLs I tried in Newt's Cape into this URL entry field and ...
> 
> "https://api.modarchive.org/downloads.php?moduleid=212016#anders_hamre_-_wrath_of_aphrodite.mod" - some activity and then -48204 was referenced.
> 
> "https://dflund.se/~fernbom/music/mods/files/takeonme.zip" - Error code 400
> 
> 
> From all the above, any ideas or recommendations come to mind?  I think I am trying to tackle remembering exactly how the ModSaver app on Newt's Cape worked along with trying to get it to work in the Einstein environment.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Greg / Doc Clu
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