[NTLK] Planning to crack Bernie’s BookReader if abandonware. Does anyone else need this app?

[Michael Sheflin]

Beg your pardon - financial benefit is a *component of a fair use defense.

On Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 8:51 AM Michael Sheflin <sheflinm at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am not sure you can be prosecuted criminally if there no financial
> benefit (to you).  However, to your point, the federal government can
> prosecute people without involvement of the copyright holder - probably
> just not under these circumstances.
>
> Otherwise, the financial argument Forrest raised is a compensation of a
> fair use defense.  However, courts may not be thrilled that the entire
> source code will have been used.  Fair use - as an archetype - would be
> like borrowing a snippet of copyrighted text to use in a non-commercial,
> educational presentation.
>
> As I noted before, with no comment from anyone - that I saw, Bernie
> appears to be dead, sadly.  It seems unlikely permission will be given.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 2:29 AM Laurence W Brown via NewtonTalk <
> newtontalk at newtontalk.net> wrote:
>
>> a practical consideration is: who is going to enforce any copyright? the
>> rights-holder, heirs, or a corporate beneficiary? attempting to contact all
>> rights-holders would help alleviate potential liability. the moral issue
>> particularly applies to heirs, so they should certainly be permitted to
>> benefit from any rights that might belong to them…
>>
>> (all hale our Disney overlords.)
>>
>> -L.W. Brown
>> via 8s+
>>
>> > On Sep 17, 2021, at 23:20, Forrest <newton_phoenix at mindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I hate to chime in on this—but here goes.
>> >
>> > Andrei is of course correct. This has been a heated discussion ongoing
>> in the many years I’ve been proud to be a part of NTLK.
>> >
>> > One should ALWAYS first endeavour to obtain the registration key or
>> code by accepted methods—payment made, etc. However as the years roll on
>> there are less and less of these sources still available. Some have been
>> grand enough to donate the source code for the software or a key generator,
>> but that’s been the minority.
>> >
>> > While there is no reasoning with the copyright law and no grey area
>> within it, IIRC the solution was often stated this way—will the infringer
>> profit from this intrusion? The Newton is more than 20 years old, it’s not
>> a hotbed for new development. While defeating a registration code by a hack
>> or other means (as opposed to using the correctly obtained one) is against
>> the copyright law, what is the user going to accomplish? If it’s for
>> personal use and that’s as far as it goes (meaning that key or hack is not
>> passed on so others could do the same), again if memory serves that has
>> been less frowned upon.
>> >
>> > I mean, wasn’t the software created so it could be utilized, ultimately?
>> >
>> > But that doesn’t make it right, as Andrei points out.
>> >
>> > These are questions to ponder.
>> >
>> > Mahalo,
>> > Forrest
>> >
>> > Sent from my T-Mobile iPhone 11
>> >
>> >> On Sep 17, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Michael Rebar <michael.rebar at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Appreciate the warning. If the developer comes forward and has a link
>> to pay for the app will do so. Till then, the app was deconstructed to
>> learn how it works.
>> >>
>> >> I am using these apps to learn how NewtonOS functions as some of the
>> code is similar to my AI under development.
>> >>
>> >> AIRA will be open source, and have come to learn from the “Love
>> Notes..” movie that similar algorithms were used as part of HWR. If the
>> same logic array is used to put speech to text in the BookReader app then
>> it gives me some confirmation I am on the right path.
>> >>
>> >> Since this development cycle will take more than the 7 days the app
>> allows for use, I do not think waiting 75 years makes sense before cracking
>> the security to learn from this nearly 20 year old software.
>> >>
>> >> Newton does not belong in a museum, nor do the apps. Funny how “old”
>> tech still has present purpose. I would have struggled a lot less
>> developing AIRA if I had realized NewtonOS has similar DNA.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Michael Rebar <michael.rebar at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Have not heard from developer so planning to crack the shareware
>> protection on this program since likely abandonware.
>> >>>
>> >>> Does anyone else need this program? If so let me know.
>> >>>
>> >>> Or does someone already have a key gen?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
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