[NTLK] Connection Question (it's raining adapters, hallelujah!)
Eric Hill
eric at amigalove.com
Thu Apr 8 13:24:32 PDT 2021
Thank you, Christoph. I think I may have found a suitable solution. I will contact you separately for your advice if that’s OK.
@Forrest your experience has been pretty close to my own. First I tried a regular old (and it was “brand new” but clear baby blue plastic in the style of 20 years ago) that was a RS-232 > USB adapter. Nada. Then I got the Keyspan. Nada.
Looks like I’ve got one more trick up my sleeve to try next.
Glad my machine didn’t go into a kernel panic! That would have freaked me out.
Thanks for your responses to my connection/adapter questions, guys.
Eric
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> 3. Re: Worldwide Online Newton Conference 2021 - UPDATE #2 -
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> 4. Introduction and a Question (Eric Hill)
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> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 20:27:20 +0100
> From: Pawel Piotrowski <newton at indigi.co.uk>
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>> On 7 Apr 2021, at 18:28, Sylvain Pilet <sylvain at pilet.net> wrote:
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>> Small detail, in the title you put CANCELED, but shouldn't it read DELAYED instead ?
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> Yeah, I thought the same :)
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> So, the WONC 2021 is DELAYED!
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> Stay tune, Newtonians!
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> Best regards,
> Pawel Piotrowski
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> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 21:34:38 +0200
> From: Christoph Schr?der <newtonhonk at posteo.de>
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> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Worldwide Online Newton Conference 2021 - UPDATE
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> Hey Pawel,
> Thanks for your effort! A delay is totally ok.
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> Cheers Christoph
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>> Am 07.04.2021 um 21:27 schrieb Pawel Piotrowski <newton at indigi.co.uk>:
>>
>> ?
>>
>>> On 7 Apr 2021, at 18:28, Sylvain Pilet <sylvain at pilet.net> wrote:
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>>> Small detail, in the title you put CANCELED, but shouldn't it read DELAYED instead ?
>>
>> Yeah, I thought the same :)
>>
>>
>> So, the WONC 2021 is DELAYED!
>>
>> Stay tune, Newtonians!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Pawel Piotrowski
>>
>> Worldwide Apple Newton Users Map: http://user-map.applenewton.co.uk <http://user-map.applenewton.co.uk/>
>>
>> NPDS Server: http://newton1.applenewton.co.uk:8079 (powered by Newton 2100)
>> NPDS Tracker Server: http://tracker.applenewton.co.uk:3680 <http://tracker.applenewton.co.uk:3680/> (powered by Raspberry Pi)
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> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 16:23:00 -0400
> From: Alan Grassia <alan.grassia at gmail.com>
> To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Worldwide Online Newton Conference 2021 - UPDATE
> #2 - DELAYED
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> Howdy Folks,
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> I like delayed better also. It give me more time to try and get my email project working.
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> If there is something that I might be able to help with, please let me know. This seems like a cool conference.
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> Cheers,
> Alan Grassia
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>> On Apr 7, 2021, at 3:35 PM, Christoph Schr?der <newtonhonk at posteo.de> wrote:
>>
>> ?Hey Pawel,
>> Thanks for your effort! A delay is totally ok.
>>
>> Cheers Christoph
>>
>>> Am 07.04.2021 um 21:27 schrieb Pawel Piotrowski <newton at indigi.co.uk>:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>>>> On 7 Apr 2021, at 18:28, Sylvain Pilet <sylvain at pilet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Small detail, in the title you put CANCELED, but shouldn't it read DELAYED instead ?
>>>
>>> Yeah, I thought the same :)
>>>
>>>
>>> So, the WONC 2021 is DELAYED!
>>>
>>> Stay tune, Newtonians!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Pawel Piotrowski
>>>
>>> Worldwide Apple Newton Users Map: http://user-map.applenewton.co.uk <http://user-map.applenewton.co.uk/>
>>>
>>> NPDS Server: http://newton1.applenewton.co.uk:8079 (powered by Newton 2100)
>>> NPDS Tracker Server: http://tracker.applenewton.co.uk:3680 <http://tracker.applenewton.co.uk:3680/> (powered by Raspberry Pi)
>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 09:56:21 -0700
> From: Eric Hill <eric at amigalove.com>
> To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net
> Subject: [NTLK] Introduction and a Question
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> Hi Everyone!
>
> First time posting here. Many apologies if I?m beating a dead horse as I?ve done my best to research these questions but many of the sites I go to either are lists with dead links, or have simply gone dark. This includes the Newton FAQ =(
>
> I have a MessagePad 2000 with an 8MB card. After many weeks of research and experiments, I successfully hooked it up to my old yet beautiful Quadra 700. At that stage I immediately fixed the Newton?s date (a thrill to do!). I also started to move packages over and even use Claris Organizer with it - a gorgeous program.
>
> I did this via the Newton?s unusual little port adapter > a serial cable > Mac serial adapter. It works!
>
> Next, I connected it to my G3 Pismo Powerbook via Newton?s unusual port adapter > a serial cable > a Mac serial adapter AND an Entrega serial to USB adapter. It?s quite a chain, but everything works beautifully. Works solid every single time.
>
> Finally, to entirely close the loop, I want to attach it to my 2015 MBP - which is running the latest OS Big Sur.
>
> I read various sites and acquired a Keyspan adapter.
>
> My Mac shows the adapter attached to the machine in the System Report when I plug it in. When I open NCX?s Prefs, however, it only shows a ?Bluetooth-incoming-port? option. The dropdown provide any other choices. And I?ve not got Bluetooth on the Newton (as far as I know). If I use my Entrega adapter, it is also seen by the machine but won?t provide a connection.
>
> And, of course, none of the Drivers from Tripplite are supported by Big Sur anymore. You simply can?t install them. It?ll start, but ultimately bomb before you get very far.
>
> Is it possible to still use the Keyspan in 2021 with Newtons, or is that option truly off the table?
>
> I?ve read it?s technically possible to do over WiFi, so I?ve since ordered an old PCMCIA WiFi card to go down that route.
>
> But if anyone knows ?a trick? I can try to make the modern Mac and Newton talk to each other with these adapters that apparently worked about 4 years ago, I?d very much appreciate it.
>
> Thanks big time,
> Eric
>
>
> P.S.
> I have one more question, but will save that for another thread.
> Thx
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 10:14:49 -0700
> From: Eric Hill <eric at amigalove.com>
> To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net
> Subject: [NTLK] Full Versions of Some Software
> Message-ID: <BD8C2373-6FF3-4429-AB6E-079E64831F61 at amigalove.com>
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> Hi again everyone!
>
> I have a question is about full versions of Newton software, from what were once offered as Shareware (pay-to-unlock).
>
> Originally I was looking for the full version of the epic Rogue clone for Newton, NewtHack 1.1. Everywhere I look online it?s always the demo version 1.0 (including the password for it). The 1.1 demo version is far superior yet is limited as it is only the first 5 levels.
>
> In desperation, I located the original game creator and asked him directly if he still had the game for sale (and/or the Password to unlock version 1.1 into a full version). Sadly he said his original disks - Iomega Zip disks - had corrupted years ago and all of the game and its source code was lost.
>
> He did, for what it is worth, grant free and full access for anyone to crack the 1.1 demo. And if anyone should be successful to let him know. Hah!
>
> Anyway - Does anyone here have the password (or unlocked full PKG version) of NewtHack 1.1? I?d very much like to get ahold of that program.
>
> To that end, does anyone know of an online source of HexPaint or NewtPaint? All of the sites that host these programs offer the feature-limited demo versions. I even contacted legendary Newton pixel artist Pinot, and he?s on the demo version of HexPaint, too.
>
> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I do think a lot of the 20+ year old Newton programs that could be unlocked would be OK to be put somewhere online these days, at least where the original owners had been contacted and/or with a disclaimer that any of them would never be used for profit and listed purely for archival purposes for this small but vibrant community.
>
> Most of websites that used to sell shareware programs are only accessible via the Wayback machine at this point. And like the creator of NewtHack, he was simply blown away to even talk about his old program for the first time in years.
>
> Best,
> Eric
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 19:53:09 +0200
> From: Christoph Schr?der <newtonhonk at posteo.de>
> To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Introduction and a Question
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> Hi Eric,
>
> I wrote a very basic tutorial for macOS X.
>
> https://www.newtonhonk.de/tools/macosx/
>
> Just get a Ftdi serial2usb adapter.
>
> Cheers Christoph
>
>> Am 08.04.2021 um 18:56 schrieb Eric Hill <eric at amigalove.com>:
>>
>> ?Hi Everyone!
>>
>> First time posting here. Many apologies if I?m beating a dead horse as I?ve done my best to research these questions but many of the sites I go to either are lists with dead links, or have simply gone dark. This includes the Newton FAQ =(
>>
>> I have a MessagePad 2000 with an 8MB card. After many weeks of research and experiments, I successfully hooked it up to my old yet beautiful Quadra 700. At that stage I immediately fixed the Newton?s date (a thrill to do!). I also started to move packages over and even use Claris Organizer with it - a gorgeous program.
>>
>> I did this via the Newton?s unusual little port adapter > a serial cable > Mac serial adapter. It works!
>>
>> Next, I connected it to my G3 Pismo Powerbook via Newton?s unusual port adapter > a serial cable > a Mac serial adapter AND an Entrega serial to USB adapter. It?s quite a chain, but everything works beautifully. Works solid every single time.
>>
>> Finally, to entirely close the loop, I want to attach it to my 2015 MBP - which is running the latest OS Big Sur.
>>
>> I read various sites and acquired a Keyspan adapter.
>>
>> My Mac shows the adapter attached to the machine in the System Report when I plug it in. When I open NCX?s Prefs, however, it only shows a ?Bluetooth-incoming-port? option. The dropdown provide any other choices. And I?ve not got Bluetooth on the Newton (as far as I know). If I use my Entrega adapter, it is also seen by the machine but won?t provide a connection.
>>
>> And, of course, none of the Drivers from Tripplite are supported by Big Sur anymore. You simply can?t install them. It?ll start, but ultimately bomb before you get very far.
>>
>> Is it possible to still use the Keyspan in 2021 with Newtons, or is that option truly off the table?
>>
>> I?ve read it?s technically possible to do over WiFi, so I?ve since ordered an old PCMCIA WiFi card to go down that route.
>>
>> But if anyone knows ?a trick? I can try to make the modern Mac and Newton talk to each other with these adapters that apparently worked about 4 years ago, I?d very much appreciate it.
>>
>> Thanks big time,
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> P.S.
>> I have one more question, but will save that for another thread.
>> Thx
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> http://newtontalk.net
>> http://twitter.com/newtontalk
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 11:40:19 -0700
> From: Forrest <newton_phoenix at mindspring.com>
> To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Introduction and a Question
> Message-ID: <E5184F9F-255C-4BDA-ACE1-1886E617F0B6 at mindspring.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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> The last time I tried to use a Keyspan serial adapter?several years ago, with MacOS 10.11 El Capitan?my MBP went into a Kernel Panic. If you?ve ever experienced one, the first time, ?panic? is a good word, because I was afraid I had somehow damaged my machine, perhaps irreparably. After I realized it was not that serious, I tried again?several times?with the same result, no matter which of the 2 ports I tried (it?s a USA 28X-B). However, recently, with Catalina, it simply failed to work or do anything.
>
> When Apple killed the Sync capability about 10 years ago, that was the end of anything like NCX?s functional synchronizing with the Newton. After many hours and much research on the Internet I too determined that Claris? ancient Organizer program was one of if not the best choice. Sadly, you need an older Mac to utilize it. As mentioned before, my SE/30 works splendidly with my MP2100, thanks to Organizer.
>
> Pawel has shown several ways to connect the Newton other than through a serial connection. For example, it?s possible to use Bluetooth to connect a Newton to a modern Mac. He has created a YouTube video: https://youtu.be/Zr1o4b_Z6GY , which better details this option.
>
> Mahalo,
> Forrest
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile iPhone 11
>
>> On Apr 8, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Eric Hill <eric at amigalove.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Hi Everyone!
>>
>> First time posting here. Many apologies if I?m beating a dead horse as I?ve done my best to research these questions but many of the sites I go to either are lists with dead links, or have simply gone dark. This includes the Newton FAQ =(
>>
>> I have a MessagePad 2000 with an 8MB card. After many weeks of research and experiments, I successfully hooked it up to my old yet beautiful Quadra 700. At that stage I immediately fixed the Newton?s date (a thrill to do!). I also started to move packages over and even use Claris Organizer with it - a gorgeous program.
>>
>> I did this via the Newton?s unusual little port adapter > a serial cable > Mac serial adapter. It works!
>>
>> Next, I connected it to my G3 Pismo Powerbook via Newton?s unusual port adapter > a serial cable > a Mac serial adapter AND an Entrega serial to USB adapter. It?s quite a chain, but everything works beautifully. Works solid every single time.
>>
>> Finally, to entirely close the loop, I want to attach it to my 2015 MBP - which is running the latest OS Big Sur.
>>
>> I read various sites and acquired a Keyspan adapter.
>>
>> My Mac shows the adapter attached to the machine in the System Report when I plug it in. When I open NCX?s Prefs, however, it only shows a ?Bluetooth-incoming-port? option. The dropdown provide any other choices. And I?ve not got Bluetooth on the Newton (as far as I know). If I use my Entrega adapter, it is also seen by the machine but won?t provide a connection.
>>
>> And, of course, none of the Drivers from Tripplite are supported by Big Sur anymore. You simply can?t install them. It?ll start, but ultimately bomb before you get very far.
>>
>> Is it possible to still use the Keyspan in 2021 with Newtons, or is that option truly off the table?
>>
>> I?ve read it?s technically possible to do over WiFi, so I?ve since ordered an old PCMCIA WiFi card to go down that route.
>>
>> But if anyone knows ?a trick? I can try to make the modern Mac and Newton talk to each other with these adapters that apparently worked about 4 years ago, I?d very much appreciate it.
>>
>> Thanks big time,
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> P.S.
>> I have one more question, but will save that for another thread.
>> Thx
>>
>>
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