[NTLK] Fwd: Einstein and old data

Mon May 12 19:05:47 PDT 2025

Sorry, all - having some email client issues and missed that Newtontalk wasn’t being replied to for this reply.

-- Don

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Don Zahniser <irntooth at eznet.net>
> Date: May 12, 2025 at 9:53:12 PM EDT
> To: Craig Bradley <ctb at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Einstein and old data
> 
> Dock TCP/IP is a Newton package supplied with NCX. Once it is installed, it gives you an additional connection selection in the Newton Dock. It allows you to connect to the internet by specifying the IP address of the computer that hosts NCX for connections, and it also provides the port number for connecting through your firewall (if enabled). This is, of course, assuming that you have NIE properly configured for an internet connection vial ethernet or (I assume, haven’t tried) Wi-Fi.
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2025, at 9:28 PM, Craig Bradley <ctb at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What is Dock TCP/IP? It sounds like something I need and impossible to search for.
>> 
>> //Craig
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 16 Pro Max
>> 
>>>> On 13 May 2025, at 10:09 AM, Don Zahniser via NewtonTalk <newtontalk at newtontalk.net> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> -- Don
>>> 
>>>> On May 11, 2025, at 5:03 PM, Don Zahniser <irntooth at eznet.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Success!
>>>> 
>>>> After a few false starts.
>>>> 
>>>> I have successfully restored data backed up from my physical Messagepad 2100 to Einstein. Some details:
>>>> 
>>>> I have Einstein running on a MacBook Pro (Mid 2012, running MacOS 10.15.7, and an iMac (2009, running Debian Bookworm). I elected to try doing the restore to the iMac, thinking that I could use NCX on the MacBook Pro.
>>>> 
>>>> Attempts to restore from a backup made using NCX 3.02 on the MacBook Pro were unsuccessful. I was able to make a connection using Dock TCP/IP, but when the Dock panel came up, there was no restore function, and NCX never successfully retrieved the data from Einstein so that I could go any further.
>>>> 
>>>> I then pulled out my venerable PowerBook Firewire (Pismo) running MacOS 10.4 and NCX 1.02. Again using Dock TCP/IP, I was able to successfully restore Names, Dates, Notes, and Newton Works data to Einstein from a backup made on the PowerBook earlier this year. The connection disconnected (NCX was greyed out and giving the message to make a connection from the Newton) and the Dock was displaying ‘Restoring Notes’ (which was the last data in the queue), but never showed completion. I ended up rebooting Einstein, but all of the restored data seems to be present.
>>>> 
>>>> Happy Camper!
>>>> 
>>>> A couple of things that are different in Debian compared to MacOS:
>>>> 
>>>> - Drag and Drop install of packages does not seem to be enabled.
>>>> - Screen rotation is ‘iffy’ - aspect ratio is not preserved on rotation in XFCE or LXDE (but is fine using IceWM, which is a window manager not a desktop environment).
>>>> - Einstein seems to be less stable in Debian. Sometimes when I click on the Einstein screen, the app will crash while in IceWM, and sometimes I try to quit Einstein and it ‘locks up’ and stays on screen. I have found that if I simply choose to Hide Einstein after trying to quit, it will go away. An alternate solution is to launch Einstein from a terminal, and quit the terminal instance, which kills Einstein.
>>>> - The best success I have had running Einstein in Debian is to use LXDE as the desktop environment, and IceWM as the window manager instead of OpenBox. I get rotation as expected, and it seems a little more stable. Experiments continue…
>>>> 
>>>> I prefer Einstein on the larger screen of the iMac, and have had some success using larger window sizes (But Dashboard won’t work at anything but the default window size).
>>>> 
>>>> The only real oddity that I have experienced in Einstein in both MacOS and Debian is that none of the shareware packages from Standalone (Including DateMan) will install in Einstein, which claims they are corrupted. And yes, I have redownloaded the zip archives from the Standalone website.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for ‘listening’…
>>>> 
>>>> Don
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 4, 2025 at 05:54:15 EDT, Matthias Melcher <m.melcher at robowerk.de> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Einstein can connect to NCX. You can back up a physical machine and restore the same data on Einstein.
>>>> 
>>>> Admittedly, I have not tried that out, but I am pretty sure it should work.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know the technical details behind synching, or where to find documentation? Installing the Newton Toolkit gives access to all Soups and Newton Script resources over the serial port. If I knew what to read and where to write it, I could make Einstein connect to a Newton and sync whatever needs to be synched.
>>>> 
>>>> The Hammer debugger gives even more access, but here I don;t have infromation about the connection protocol. I used Hammer from Basilisk to suck PCMCIA cards, but it's tedious. Again, if anyone has docs for the transfer format and commands, it could be automated.
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