[NTLK] NewtonTalk Digest, Vol 93, Issue 10

Sun Sep 19 12:12:35 PDT 2021

So while I have the code in front of me that I need to change to make this program work without the registration code, all of these various opinions have been valuable to the point of stopping where I am and not commiting a copyright infringement. I can figure this out without cracking the software so will plod along as before.

If for any reason the author of the software is still alive and grants me a code or permission to crack it will then utilize that work for learning purposes. 

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>   1. Re: Planning to crack Bernie?s BookReader if abandonware.
>      Does anyone else need this app? (Michael Sheflin)
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> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 17:26:01 -0400
> From: Michael Sheflin <sheflinm at gmail.com>
> To: NewtonTalk Mailin List <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>, Laurence W
> 	Brown <lwb at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Planning to crack Bernie?s BookReader if
> 	abandonware. Does anyone else need this app?
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> Hey all, someone pointed out to me that my email might have implied I was
> making a moral or ethical endorsement.  As I've mentioned before, I'm a
> lawyer - though not a copyright lawyer.  I was making a hypothetical
> appointment about the requirement that a copyright holder be involved in
> the prosecution of a lawsuit in order for someone to potentially be exposed
> to liability.
> 
> Personally, I think the copyright system - at least regarding electronic
> copyright issues - probably stifles inovation in a way that makes it maybe
> even arguably constitutionally suspect.  Although I tend to prefer to buy
> old hardware (for the firmware) and software from original owners so that
> the copyright use transfers under the First Sale Doctrine, I don't
> personally care morally or ethically, and I didn't mean to sound judgmental.
> 
> Best,
> Michael
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> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 8:53 AM Michael Sheflin <sheflinm at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Beg your pardon - financial benefit is a *component of a fair use defense.
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 8:51 AM Michael Sheflin <sheflinm at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I am not sure you can be prosecuted criminally if there no financial
>>> benefit (to you).  However, to your point, the federal government can
>>> prosecute people without involvement of the copyright holder - probably
>>> just not under these circumstances.
>>> 
>>> Otherwise, the financial argument Forrest raised is a compensation of a
>>> fair use defense.  However, courts may not be thrilled that the entire
>>> source code will have been used.  Fair use - as an archetype - would be
>>> like borrowing a snippet of copyrighted text to use in a non-commercial,
>>> educational presentation.
>>> 
>>> As I noted before, with no comment from anyone - that I saw, Bernie
>>> appears to be dead, sadly.  It seems unlikely permission will be given.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 2:29 AM Laurence W Brown via NewtonTalk <
>>> newtontalk at newtontalk.net> wrote:
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>>>> a practical consideration is: who is going to enforce any copyright? the
>>>> rights-holder, heirs, or a corporate beneficiary? attempting to contact all
>>>> rights-holders would help alleviate potential liability. the moral issue
>>>> particularly applies to heirs, so they should certainly be permitted to
>>>> benefit from any rights that might belong to them?
>>>> 
>>>> (all hale our Disney overlords.)
>>>> 
>>>> -L.W. Brown
>>>> via 8s+
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 23:20, Forrest <newton_phoenix at mindspring.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?I hate to chime in on this?but here goes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andrei is of course correct. This has been a heated discussion ongoing
>>>> in the many years I?ve been proud to be a part of NTLK.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One should ALWAYS first endeavour to obtain the registration key or
>>>> code by accepted methods?payment made, etc. However as the years roll on
>>>> there are less and less of these sources still available. Some have been
>>>> grand enough to donate the source code for the software or a key generator,
>>>> but that?s been the minority.
>>>>> 
>>>>> While there is no reasoning with the copyright law and no grey area
>>>> within it, IIRC the solution was often stated this way?will the infringer
>>>> profit from this intrusion? The Newton is more than 20 years old, it?s not
>>>> a hotbed for new development. While defeating a registration code by a hack
>>>> or other means (as opposed to using the correctly obtained one) is against
>>>> the copyright law, what is the user going to accomplish? If it?s for
>>>> personal use and that?s as far as it goes (meaning that key or hack is not
>>>> passed on so others could do the same), again if memory serves that has
>>>> been less frowned upon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I mean, wasn?t the software created so it could be utilized,
>>>> ultimately?
>>>>> 
>>>>> But that doesn?t make it right, as Andrei points out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> These are questions to ponder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mahalo,
>>>>> Forrest
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile iPhone 11
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Michael Rebar <michael.rebar at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Appreciate the warning. If the developer comes forward and has a
>>>> link to pay for the app will do so. Till then, the app was deconstructed to
>>>> learn how it works.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am using these apps to learn how NewtonOS functions as some of the
>>>> code is similar to my AI under development.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> AIRA will be open source, and have come to learn from the ?Love
>>>> Notes..? movie that similar algorithms were used as part of HWR. If the
>>>> same logic array is used to put speech to text in the BookReader app then
>>>> it gives me some confirmation I am on the right path.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Since this development cycle will take more than the 7 days the app
>>>> allows for use, I do not think waiting 75 years makes sense before cracking
>>>> the security to learn from this nearly 20 year old software.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Newton does not belong in a museum, nor do the apps. Funny how ?old?
>>>> tech still has present purpose. I would have struggled a lot less
>>>> developing AIRA if I had realized NewtonOS has similar DNA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Michael Rebar <
>>>> michael.rebar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Have not heard from developer so planning to crack the shareware
>>>> protection on this program since likely abandonware.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Does anyone else need this program? If so let me know.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or does someone already have a key gen?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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